In this episode of Clarity Digital Pod, I sit down with Seth Avergon, founder of Avergon Marketing Group and a long-time marketing executive with over 25 years of experience. Seth has led marketing strategy for major global brands including Citizen Watch, DENSO Automotive, and RSI Home Products. We dive deep into what the modern CMO role looks like, how fractional marketing leadership is evolving, and what companies often get wrong when it comes to AI and execution.
This conversation pulls back the curtain on what actually drives business results. Whether you are a CMO, a founder, or someone trying to step into leadership from the marketing side, you will find a lot of value in this episode.
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Summary: Marketing Leadership in a Changing Landscape
Seth Avergon is not new to marketing transformation. In this conversation, he explains how the role of the CMO has shifted over the last decade and why so many companies are struggling to find effective marketing leadership. He also shares why AI is being misunderstood across organizations and how to think critically about execution, planning, and positioning.
What It Really Means to Be a Fractional CMO
Seth was doing fractional work before the term became popular. Back in 2009, he launched his firm because he saw the gap between strategic consultants and tactical agencies. Most businesses had one or the other, but rarely both under the same roof.
Today, many are calling themselves fractional CMOs, but few have actually held senior marketing roles or managed full departments. According to Seth, a real fractional CMO is hands-on, owns the strategic plan, and usually works with no more than three or four clients at a time.
If someone is managing ten accounts, they are not a CMO. They are running an agency.
The Sales and Marketing Disconnect
One of the most discussed topics in B2B marketing is the alignment between sales and marketing. Seth explains that the two functions must be viewed as one unified funnel. Marketing drives awareness and demand at the top, while sales closes deals at the bottom. Without communication and joint planning, both functions suffer.
In high-performing companies, marketing and sales plan together. They share goals, messaging, and even feedback loops. That alignment is no longer optional if you want to grow efficiently.
Understanding MQLs, SQLs, and the Right Timing
We also break down the difference between marketing qualified leads (MQLs) and sales qualified leads (SQLs). Seth warns against passing off early-stage leads just because they downloaded a white paper or attended a webinar. These leads are not ready to talk to sales.
Instead, marketers must nurture these prospects until there is intent and interest. Then, and only then, should they be handed off to sales for deeper conversations. Anything earlier only creates frustration and wasted time.
AI is Not a Strategy
AI is everywhere right now. It is being positioned as a solution for everything from writing content to building campaigns. But Seth and I both agree that AI is not a marketing strategy. It is a tool, and like any tool, it needs direction.
AI will accelerate whatever systems or logic you feed into it. If your strategy is flawed, AI will only make it worse, faster. The key is understanding the context, not just the prompts. Seth refers to this as context engineering, where you give AI a framework that leads to useful outcomes, not generic noise.
Strategy Comes First, Always
Seth emphasizes that no campaign, no matter how well executed, will succeed without a clear marketing foundation. Before any SEO, paid ads, or demand generation efforts begin, companies must have a strategic plan in place.
This includes defining the ICP (ideal customer profile), brand messaging, value propositions, and clear KPIs. Without these building blocks, your marketing execution will fail to generate meaningful results.
Advice for Aspiring CMOs
I asked Seth how someone like me, or other experienced marketers, can move into a true CMO role. His answer was direct.
Learn how to manage budgets, present in the boardroom, and align marketing with business goals. Get involved in strategy early and start acting like a CMO before you are given the title. Most importantly, be the person who can tie marketing activity to business outcomes.
There is also no shame in being a strong second-in-command. Trusted advisors and CMO whisperers play a critical role in building strategy and keeping execution focused. Know your lane, but be ready to lead.
Final Takeaways
This episode is a must-watch for anyone who is:
- Frustrated with misaligned marketing and sales teams
- Confused about how to apply AI effectively
- Hiring a fractional CMO or considering becoming one
- Looking to scale marketing but lacks a strategic plan
- Curious about what separates good marketers from great ones
Seth Avergon brings deep experience, clarity, and real-world insight. His perspective is a valuable reminder that tools, tactics, and trends only work when they are grounded in strategy. If you are trying to build something sustainable, this conversation is one to pay attention to.
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